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Author:  odd duc [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:50 pm ]
Post subject:  weber manifold "what if ?"

So, now that my bike is completed and running well I can turn my mind to more theoretical and unimportant things. I've often wondered why the weber manifold is split instead of open inside to make a common plenum for both barrels of the carb to feed. Seems to me that it would eliminate the need for synchronization if they were both playing for the same team. Has anyone ever experimented with removal of the webbing inside the manifold to create a common plenum chamber? What part of the carburetion black magic equation am I missing?

Author:  Bluey [ Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: weber manifold "what if ?"

I've heard that runner length can impact the speed of the column of air and thus its momentum into the cylinder, impacting on its filling of the cylinder. Or at least people I know who design for OEM have told me. It's an aerodynamic trade off thing.

but that said I'm with you, i would have thought there is merit in creating a crossover to account for carb imbalance. It would mean that you can't run a different tune on different cylinders though. on the later injected bikes they do run a slightly richer mixture on the rear cylinder for additional cooling. I've played with the tuning on my 907 (myECU) and with my laser thermometer I don't notice a major difference running the rear cylinder 2% richer.

Someone out there must have tried it. what was the outcome?

Author:  odd duc [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: weber manifold "what if ?"

Just spoke with my brother who used to be a nascar cyinder head guy and now makes custom race exhausts and also happens to be a bit of a mechanical genius. He reminded me that even in a well built engine every cylinder has it's own unique air/fuel requirements. For example, he said, that in a nascar v8 the number 7 cylinder is almost always leaner than the others. considering the very different conditions that the 2 ducati cylinders must operate in because of their different orientation, it's easy to see why they would have different tuning requirements.

Author:  Mc tool [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:24 pm ]
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Yeah but .... the whole idea of individual manifold runners is that there is no interference from adjacent cylinders. The sort of manifold you speak of is called an interference manifold and usually any 2 ( or more ) barrel carb usually have a primary and secondary barrels to provide adequate velocity at low and high revs respectively , which is its advantage. It would probly be less of an issue on something with an even firing order .... like the old British 360 deg twins . I also think you would have a shit of a job getting the weber to behave without some serious #ucking about :D

Author:  Bluey [ Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:52 pm ]
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Author:  Mc tool [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: weber manifold "what if ?"

yep , check out this Mopar cross ram manifold for dedication to the long intake runner :)

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Author:  ducapaso [ Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: weber manifold "what if ?"

You Just Need to buy another mainfold and cut a part of the diaphram between folds to see what happens.

Author:  JWilliam [ Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: weber manifold "what if ?"

I doubt 'opening up' the manifold would aid performance in any way. Imagine that this were so, then air speed thru each throttle body would be reduced, leading to fuel mixture problems due to the reduced vacuum.
Incidently, running the rear cylinder richer (cooler) is most likely due to it being heated by the radiator whereas the horizontal cylinder is not.

Author:  Bluey [ Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:33 am ]
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